Results 1 to 5 of 5
  1. 11-11-2019  #1

    Mega Producer

    Credits
    51
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    My country. :-)
    Posts
    116
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    32
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    23
    Thanked in
    2 Posts

    Seperate lossy stems worse in mixdown than lossy conversion of studio mix?

    Hi guys.

    I've been experimenting with a few stems and found the mixdown to be a bit off. Now, without even CD quality stems to work with I expected this, but the end result just doesn't sound right.

    It tends to lack a little treble. But mix is within range and at -1 dB on one. So no obvious sign of distortion.

    I've done no adjusting of the levels so I'm leaving it up to the stems to be levelled as they are. Which may be off the studio mix. I only like to adjust when they are too loud when all combined.

    If the source is 128Kbps then obviously the mixdown isn't going to be good quality either way. However, for separate tracks, where the frequencies are somewhat reduced, I thought this may work in favour of the stems. Even if there are cross ranges over frequencies.

    But, after listening, it sounds like the original in 128Kbps is still better. I'm only testing with 80's and 90's stuff which would have been processed differently in the studio. And a DAW would mix tracks in 64-bit float if it makes any difference. Since the sources are still 16-bit integer.

  2. 02-04-2020  #2

    Mega Producer

    Credits
    113
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Wamsutta
    Posts
    196
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    73
    Thanked in
    12 Posts
    >And a DAW would mix tracks in 64-bit float if it makes any difference.
    No

    >Since the sources are still 16-bit integer.
    But psycho-lossy codecs like mp3 converts to floating point

    >Which may be off the studio mix.
    Just use EQ & FX.

  3. 08-10-2020  #3

    Mega Producer

    Credits
    51
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    My country. :-)
    Posts
    116
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    32
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    23
    Thanked in
    2 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by junh1024 View Post
    But psycho-lossy codecs like mp3 converts to floating point
    Good point. I used to convert to WAV 16 bit.

    Which may be off the studio mix.
    Just use EQ & FX.
    I could, but I thought it would be trying to things back in that aren't there any more. Since the original is lost.

  4. 08-10-2020  #4

    Staff Team

    Credits
    3320
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    682
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    69
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,177
    Thanked in
    101 Posts
    Stems often are not mastered, like the final track because it would take more time to do each track. Maybe that's why you hear a difference.

  5. 16-10-2020  #5

    Mega Producer

    Credits
    51
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    My country. :-)
    Posts
    116
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    32
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    23
    Thanked in
    2 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by djtayz View Post
    Stems often are not mastered, like the final track because it would take more time to do each track. Maybe that's why you hear a difference.
    Yes that would likely account for it as well. I've noticed most stems do have the FX added so rarely ever dry. But given stems are a mix down that would come as no surprise. I prefer them wet even if it can make it hard to cut at breaks with a reverb tail. Some stems, like RB ones, do tend to be 6dB over. Other ones can be too low.

    At the end of the day, while mixing and mastering it, you need to remix and remaster it. :-)

Similar Threads

  1. Ludacris - I Go In (DJ T.O.B & J Yo Mix)
    By DJ T.O.B in forum Showcase & Promotion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 30-10-2011, 19:16
  2. Adele - Rolling in the Deep (Joel Dickinson & Billy Waters Mix)
    By AudioAssembly in forum Showcase & Promotion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 29-06-2011, 01:16
  3. Adele - Rolling In The Deep (Graham Dohertys Funky Progressive Mix)
    By GrahamDoherty in forum Showcase & Promotion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-05-2011, 02:48

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •