Is this legit? Opinions needed (LP - Castle of Glass multi sample)

This is a sample I was forwarded by a contact who was actively trying to get LP's "Castle of Glass" multitrack. He got the sample from someone who was offering the multitrack for $200. That same someone is also a former Lite member who got banned a little while ago for soliciting for money to buy more LP multitracks, which he would then allegedly share with all of us here.

https://mega.nz/file/7r5nhYzB#mBd4BM...bXZm_RLtS1yJ-c

It's a 90-second MP3 of brief random stem samples stitched together. The average listener would agree that this is legit, but it's commonly known that crafty scammers have duped people out of their money or their trading material by providing recreated/retooled samples. So naturally anyone who knows anything would say "proceed at your own risk".

Anyone who has also downloaded the concert stems in the past would tell you that much of the sample sounds an awful lot like parts from that pack. However those concert stems were put together from the studio stems to begin with. Therein lies my dilemma.

Can anyone else have a listen and provide 2nd, 3rd and 40th opinion? Would be much appreciated.

They could be the concert playback stems, which are widely available on the internet. But I also hear acoustic drums (although mixed with the other drum loop) and a bass track, which are not included in that concert playback stems.

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Originally Posted by ReDevilGames

But I also hear acoustic drums (although mixed with the other drum loop) and a bass track

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Yes that was my reaction as well. However considering who the alleged source was (an established Guatemalan scammer), he couldn't exactly be counted on to deliver after he received what he wanted. And he was apparently completely against sending anything unless receiving full payment first.

But would this prove that the CoG multi is indeed out there and in circulation? Which would bring it one step closer to leaking?

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Originally Posted by patrik

Yes that was my reaction as well. However considering who the alleged source was (an established Guatemalan scammer), he couldn't exactly be counted on to deliver after he received what he wanted. And he was apparently completely against sending anything unless receiving full payment first.

But would this prove that the CoG multi is indeed out there and in circulation?

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I can ask my sources if they exist if you like :-)

I know that multitracks circulate on the internet. You must only wait for them to come up, because they are not so profitable anymore. For instance, I heard the "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley stem samples something like 1.5 years ago, but I own them only from a week or less.

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Originally Posted by sonyman123

I can ask my sources if they exist if you like :-)

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Would be very appreciated.

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Originally Posted by patrik

Would be very appreciated.

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my sources have never heard of it existing ! take from that what you will.

mmmm.....some elements sound real, and it does sound like its mixed differently to the concert snippets; but I guess anyone could do that. I heard some elements I was familar with in the actual song that weren't in the concert snippets. HOWEVER, the bass stem sounded like this one from Karaoke version.
https://www.karaoke-version.co.uk/cu...-of-glass.html

Listen to this, see if you think it matches :)

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Originally Posted by AMV12

mmmm.....some elements sound real, and it does sound like its mixed differently to the concert snippets; but I guess anyone could do that. I heard some elements I was familar with in the actual song that weren't in the concert snippets. HOWEVER, the bass stem sounded like this one from Karaoke version.
https://www.karaoke-version.co.uk/cu...-of-glass.html

Listen to this, see if you think it matches :)

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It does....and I've had that KV pack for several years. But I never used it for anything because it's so bad lol, which is why I didn't recognise the bass stem.

Again like I said, this came from the same Guatemalan scammer who came in here and solicited for money to buy more LP packs.

It's tricky to call. I've listened to the instrumental version floating around the internet which allowed me to hear some more of the details that would normally be buried under the vocals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVC1G_hTOSA

I lined up some bits from the snippet to the instrumental in audacity and tried an A-B comparison. The only major differences I could hear was that at 2:32 on the instrumental, that fast low synth bit is slowly panning left to right, and the eq is very different, but then again it could be re-created using any decent software. The instruments themselves sound real, they don't sound like any karaoke version i've heard. I'd like to think I could soon tell if a song didn't sound right :)

I reckon there is a good chance of it being real, but it's whether they will actually send the files they have in full and in the same quality (i.e. not sending low bitrate/sample rate tracks that are pretty much useless) I'd hate for anyone to get scammed over this. Especially considering this individual has a known dodgy past as well; and I still have a question mark over the "bass" part.

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Originally Posted by AMV12

It's tricky to call. I've listened to the instrumental version floating around the internet which allowed me to hear some more of the details that would normally be buried under the vocals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVC1G_hTOSA

I lined up some bits from the snippet to the instrumental in audacity and tried an A-B comparison. The only major differences I could hear was that at 2:32 on the instrumental, that fast low synth bit is slowly panning left to right, and the eq is very different, but then again it could be re-created using any decent software. The instruments themselves sound real, they don't sound like any karaoke version i've heard. I'd like to think I could soon tell if a song didn't sound right :)

I reckon there is a good chance of it being real, but it's whether they will actually send the files they have in full and in the same quality (i.e. not sending low bitrate/sample rate tracks that are pretty much useless) I'd hate for anyone to get scammed over this. Especially considering this individual has a known dodgy past as well; and I still have a question mark over the "bass" part.

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I know what you mean, it's always a possibility especially if you are a paranoid neurotic freak like me :p but the bass completely kills it. It's very easy to replicate those other non-concert stems parts if you can identify the plugin they used. They've already tried to recreate the piano and they've used it as an alleged real sample.

The main thing from the snippet that throws me off is the lack of guitar, there's lots of synth work in the song that get buried in the mix so a cover/remake of any synth is difficult to say "that's legit" besides from the bridge synth.

I'd pass this off as fake though.

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Originally Posted by Shikari-Fox

The main thing from the snippet that throws me off is the lack of guitar, there's lots of synth work in the song that get buried in the mix so a cover/remake of any synth is difficult to say "that's legit" besides from the bridge synth.

I'd pass this off as fake though.

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Especially considering the only stems from LP's Living Things album to ever see the light of day have come from remix contests (Lost in the Echo) or game rips (Burn It Down RB3 DLC).

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Originally Posted by patrik

Especially considering the only stems from LP's Living Things album to ever see the light of day have come from remix contests (Lost in the Echo) or game rips (Burn It Down RB3 DLC).

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And the Roads Untraveled multi.

unfortunately nothing else from Linkin Park is out
what exists in the hands of people have already leaked, that's all
or try to buy the rights of the record companies if you're a remixer or something

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Originally Posted by Musiclife

or try to buy the rights of the record companies if you're a remixer or something

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Is this possible?

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Originally Posted by Shikari-Fox

Is this possible?

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yes this is possible, not to buy but to remix yes I know that at least one member her has done that, But that was part of a big organisation you would have to be well known and have previous media exposure I guess.

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Originally Posted by patrik

This is a sample I was forwarded by a contact who was actively trying to get LP's "Castle of Glass" multitrack. He got the sample from someone who was offering the multitrack for $200. That same someone is also a former Lite member who got banned a little while ago for soliciting for money to buy more LP multitracks, which he would then allegedly share with all of us here.

https://mega.nz/file/7r5nhYzB#mBd4BM...bXZm_RLtS1yJ-c

It's a 90-second MP3 of brief random stem samples stitched together. The average listener would agree that this is legit, but it's commonly known that crafty scammers have duped people out of their money or their trading material by providing recreated/retooled samples. So naturally anyone who knows anything would say "proceed at your own risk".

Anyone who has also downloaded the concert stems in the past would tell you that much of the sample sounds an awful lot like parts from that pack. However those concert stems were put together from the studio stems to begin with. Therein lies my dilemma.

Can anyone else have a listen and provide 2nd, 3rd and 40th opinion? Would be much appreciated.

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Mmm it can be, I think it's real and I would like that person to filter it

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Originally Posted by Shikari-Fox

Is this possible?

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Not unless you're a big enough multimedia bigwig with the credentials and the connections which would make you worthy in their eyes to give it away to.